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********* In response to: http://www.politechbot.com/p-02035.html ********* Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:18:33 -0400 To: declan@well.com, politech@politechbot.com From: Marc Rotenberg <rotenberg@epic.org> Subject: Re: FC: Europe weighs recording all phone calls, Net traffic for 7 yrs Declan - It is worth noting the European privacy commissioners have expressed strong opposition to similar proposals in the past. Most recently the privacy commissioners expressed opposition to the record retention requirements in the COE Cyber-Crime convention. Opinion 4/2001 on the Council of Europe's Draft Convention on Cyber Crime http://www.europa.eu.int/comm/internal_market/en/media/dataprot/wpdocs/wp41en.htm Marc Rotenberg. ********** Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:43:27 -0500 From: "Matthew G. Saroff" <msaroff@pobox.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) To: declan@well.com Subject: Re: FC: Europe weighs recording all phone calls, Net traffic for 7 yrs Declan McCullagh wrote: > the FBI six years ago. It calls for the retention of "every phone call, > every mobile phone call, every fax, every e-mail, every website's contents, > all internet usage, from anywhere, by everyone, to be recorded, archived > and be accessible for at least seven years," notes the journal. I'm going to invest in Tape and Hard Drive manufacturers. -- Matthew G. Saroff ********* From: "Thomas Leavitt" <thomasleavitt@hotmail.com> To: declan@well.com Subject: Re: FC: Europe weighs recording all phone calls, Net traffic for 7 yrs Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:26:54 -0700 ROTFL... I almost fell out of my chair laughing... Here's a quote from an article by PETER TIPPETT, M.D., Ph.D., the executive publisher of Information Security and CTO of TruSecure Corp. http://www.infosecuritymag.com/articles/may01/columns_executive_view.shtml "A few years ago, I hosted a TruSecure ISP Backbone Security (ISPsec) Consortium meeting, where we discussed a problem MCI and other ISPs were having trying to fulfill an FBI wiretap request. The court order wanted MCI to write to disk a week's worth of data from an OC3 Internet pipe for later analysis. After many months of complex technical work, using the fastest processors, tools and disk arrays obtainable, MCI was only able to sniff the headers from the wire." This was three years ago, so, clearly, on a practical basis, we have nothing to worry about... however, of course, it is of course worrisome that these people are so clueless, that totally clueless people are making policy, and that the policy is so indifferent to the threat to personal freedom and potential for abuse that an archive like this would create. The consideration of items like this leaves things open for more potentially abusive activities on a smaller scale. Regards, Thomas Leavitt ********** ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if it remains intact. To subscribe, visit http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------